We also spoke with Maryanne Slattery. Up until recently Maryanne was the senior water researcher at the Australia Institute. Before that she worked for the Murray Darling Basin Authority as the   for 12 years. Whilst there Maryanne didn't like what she saw. So much so she left and blew the whistle on them. We're going to find out about this and why the river system came to be in such bad health.

We also spoke with University of Tasmania's school of social sciences Dr Natasha Chassagne. Dr Chassange wrote a piece connecting COVID and Climate Change. She also spoke about the South American social philosophy: buen vivir.