Anne speaks with MMT student Joseph Hateley about how to "DOGE-proof" the United States (hint: it has something to do with the payments system), and whether we need to fear a DOGE-style crusade happening in Australia. Kev gives an impassioned commentary on the state of the Australian budget commentary, and issues a challenge to our national public broadcaster.

Theme Music

Pleading Ignorance, by Ed Kuepper, from the album Starstruck.

Additional Audio

Too Many Things, by Ed Kuepper, from the album Starstruck.

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Fatboy Slim - Star 69 (Official HD Video)

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